tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post8848481087501214021..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: Should WoW have lower death penalties?Klepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-70775785431830618442010-02-23T08:54:12.076-06:002010-02-23T08:54:12.076-06:00@Stabs: Unfortunately I think that would only enco...@Stabs: Unfortunately I think that would only encourage massive grinding for any raid content as people did absolutely everything they could possibly do to overgear content, since death would be such a barrier. Or we'd just not raid. Can you imagine getting The Undying for every raid?<br /><br />@Dwism: If I had to guess, what's happened is the lower death penalty has gotten more people into raiding, but they're not really of the raiding mindset (whatever that is), so they don't like having some rough idea of boss abilities and then running in to see what works. I do remember having strats in vanilla raiding, but they tended to be explained by someone, or figured out on the fly, or through a few wipes, rather than a video.<br /><br />Maybe it's entirely unrelated to the game, just a general trend of people watching how-to videos for anything from cooking to gaming.<br /><br />@Gevlon: No death at all? Now there's an interesting thought! Have you ever done twin emps with a raid that didn't separate them properly? Or a group that didn't proberly AoE core hound packs in MC? At 80 no one dies, but we don't get anywhere either. Or there's that fight in ZG where ghosts will res you, but deaths make the boss stronger.<br /><br />Really though, no penalty at all is probably not the way to go. There is some point at which it's too little, at which it's just not a penalty. That varies with the individual, so it's hard to pic a point and say "here." I do suspect we'd see a better wiping mentality if it was more expensive gold-wise (higher repair bill per death), but less expensive time-wise (shorter corpse run and recovery time). Then people would be willing to wipe more before saying the fight is overtuned or they're undergeared, since the immediate cost would be low. Take advantage of how people tend to value debt very little compared to rewards now.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-81054503248237110922010-02-23T06:35:25.607-06:002010-02-23T06:35:25.607-06:00If lower death penalty is better, make it lower, o...If lower death penalty is better, make it lower, or even lover, or none. God mode to everyone!<br /><br />Or do you see a point that says "enough"?Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-72520287173355440662010-02-23T05:54:38.297-06:002010-02-23T05:54:38.297-06:00@klep: Heh fair enough, and a very valid point (on...@klep: Heh fair enough, and a very valid point (on both subjects). sticking with the raiding part, i can only speak for my own experience, and there are prob a million reasons. For one, bosses are way more complicated. We would raid up to and including BWl with only 12 of 40 knowing what they where doing. (tanks, some healers and some key-dps) rest would just follow along. <br />But now a days we all need to know the tacts and.... well I'm getting way of topic here. <br />Point was, that for most guilds, regardless of reasons, tactics are using out of game guides a lot more now than before. And wiping has gotten easier to recover. <br /><br />your original question was: should we get a lower penalty for dying? It would sure make pugging more bareable, as a wipe there usually ends the entire raid.Dwismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332850111235993334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-1787381345190652122010-02-23T02:21:51.415-06:002010-02-23T02:21:51.415-06:00I would actually love to see a permadeath server.
...I would actually love to see a permadeath server.<br /><br />No rule changes - simply a matter of being very very careful like in the good old days of Diablo 2 Hardcore.<br /><br />Unfortunately I don't think you could have both a pd server and a policy of listening to whiny fans. And I can't see Blizzard running a server with no customer support or forum.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-38578284797297656402010-02-22T15:06:04.594-06:002010-02-22T15:06:04.594-06:00@Dwism: I hate to get into a "your evidence i...@Dwism: I hate to get into a "your evidence isn't valid, no YOUR evidence isn't valid" discussion, but, I'm not sure your example works. Back then the raiding guilds were a smaller sample of the population, they were more similar tot he hardcore guilds now than the casual guilds, so their threshold of annoyance was higher.<br /><br />As for the state of America, we are getting hit hard currently. I was referring more to a historical tradition of innovation and entrepreneurship.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-20133678363994503862010-02-22T11:14:29.000-06:002010-02-22T11:14:29.000-06:00Answering part of your question: No, lower death p...Answering part of your question: No, lower death penalties have not made us use guides any less. As a matter of fact, we use them more. <br /><br />Back in Molten core days, a wipe would take as much as 15 minutes of: healers ressing via soulstone, ressers ressing other ressers, ressers ressing the rest, then we would rebuff, then we would replenish mana. <br />yet, video-guides did not exist.<br />Later when zoning and porting inside a dungeon made corpseruns take no more than 5 minutes, the tankspot video-guides are mandatory. they didn't even exist back then. <br /><br />Weird huh?<br /><br />----<br />And I don't want to get all political, but financially, America is about as high on the "doing well" scale as some 3rd world countries. So that was not a great example imo.Dwismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332850111235993334noreply@blogger.com