tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post7725062655510284708..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: Would we want a player economy?Klepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-82359781095321834392010-08-14T09:40:01.327-05:002010-08-14T09:40:01.327-05:00@Anonymous: The 'consumable' issue is wort...@Anonymous: The 'consumable' issue is worth worrying about, but perhaps raiding could give materials to help offset the cost. So maybe raiders burn through 10 mats per raid but the raid grants 8 mats: still a loss, but not a huge amount, and then once people have the hang of the raid it can be a source of materials.<br /><br />I'd be worried about bag space if we started needing significantly differenty sets for farming and raiding. It's tricky enough managing three role sets plus some variation pieces. Though in my case the true problem is probably my insistence on carrying a dozen cosmetic items at a time.<br /><br />@Tesh: Have you read Tobold's diary of A Tale in the Desert? It doesn't go into a huge emount of detail, but it does give a few hints of how it all works.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-6999332843250284682010-08-14T01:17:22.498-05:002010-08-14T01:17:22.498-05:00Puzzle Pirates has a solid player-based economy. ...Puzzle Pirates has a solid player-based economy. Nearly everything decays, fueling crafting, and nearly everything functional is player-made. (There are some things that are only PvE loot drops, but those are cosmetic.)<br /><br />Of course, there are no levels and no stat gear there. Everything is based on player skill. There's just a different mindset and philosophy to the game.<br /><br />...and now I'm wondering how the A Tale in the Desert economy functions. I've heard it's similarly almost entirely player-based.<br /><br />Notably, neither game is as big as WoW or even LOTRO, but they do both seem to have a solid core of players who rather enjoy the interdependency.<br /><br />It's worth noting that I detest forced grouping in combat-heavy games reliant on loot drops, gear and levels, but I like interdependencies in an economy. It means I can carve a niche for myself in asynchronous mutually beneficial behavior, largely by my skill in understanding the market mechanics and my fellow players. That's the kind of multiplayer I like.Teshhttp://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-78382677994019024022010-08-11T21:58:48.910-05:002010-08-11T21:58:48.910-05:00I like the idea of some slots only having crafted ...I like the idea of some slots only having crafted gear.<br /><br />This sort of existed at various points when the BiS ammo was crafted.<br /><br />Making BiS items that are crafted but permanently lose 1 durability per death could work. They have to be replaced eventually. You wouldn't use your most expensive set for farming. <br /><br />In someways it brings back an increase in the use of consumables. Massive consumable use and farming made high end vanilla raiding a terrible grind. (e.g. farming Whipper roots or Demonic runes because they didn't share the pot cooldown).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-68575225963641446092010-08-11T18:09:16.490-05:002010-08-11T18:09:16.490-05:00@Stabs: Perhaps this could be combined with my pre...@Stabs: Perhaps this could be combined with my previous idea of some extremely rare, and hostile, loot. 10% from bosses, 90% from crafting, with the rare drops being a bit more powerful or perhaps filling a streange slot, similar to how trinkets used to be somewhat rare.<br /><br />Gear would have to be destroyed by some means, or require some sort of constant player-based repair, perhaps this would not be a characteristic of boss-dropped loot.<br /><br />The biggest problem is the flood of caster alts, for which I have a dozen terrible ideas and no good ones.<br /><br />@Anonymous: That sounds like a good situation for selling raid spots on the farm bosses.<br /><br />@Glyph: I think you've nailed it: player crafting isn't popular, but perhaps it is stable: it won't draw in WoW numbers, but it will create a player base that sticks around.<br /><br />@Mike: I like the idea, but if gems were the method of scaling (just as an example), then we'd have to have a whole lot of gem slots, or else we'd have massive stat jumps between tiers, such as 3->4 slots being a 25% increase, not to mention a constant increase in the cost of raiding, which could end up replicating the old Naxx problem of raiding being exclusive by the sheer cost, in addition to other factors.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-33935235255949719712010-08-11T11:52:33.891-05:002010-08-11T11:52:33.891-05:00What if gear didn't have stat bonuses?
What i...What if gear didn't have stat bonuses?<br /><br />What if all stat bonuses came from gems and enchants etc?<br /><br />In that case better gear would come with more slots or the ability to accept higher enchants.<br /><br />That close to the model EVE has. Which I have to say I prefer.<br /><br />Mike<br /><br />aka DPS.Mike ...https://www.blogger.com/profile/01018279317001118437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-68684535614833756422010-08-11T10:44:40.997-05:002010-08-11T10:44:40.997-05:00What if bosses didn't drop loot? What if inste...What if bosses didn't drop loot? What if instead killing them meant you got the chance to raid their treasure store which would include large amounts of money, crafting materials, or maybe very rare or legendary equipment? Or maybe some combination where bosses only drop equipment for some slots and the rest have to be crafted?<br /><br />I'm still of the opinion that having a player based economy, at least for many things, makes a game better. It might not make it more successful, as I know many people wouldn't want to bother with it but some people would find the game more preferable.Glyph, the Architecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05770027239906401274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-86042694572374093742010-08-11T09:57:21.787-05:002010-08-11T09:57:21.787-05:00"Imagine if the only point of raiding was to ..."Imagine if the only point of raiding was to get valuable and rare components that might make you an uber-sword." - we're at the point where a number of folks in our guild are mostly only doing the 25-mans in order to help build Shadowmournes; we've got all the drops we want from the bosses we've got on farm, and the casuals won't commit to another night of raiding so that we could progress further.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-80373495985644643342010-08-11T08:59:30.319-05:002010-08-11T08:59:30.319-05:00The problem with player crafting is that it devalu...The problem with player crafting is that it devalues loot.<br /><br />Imagine if the only point of raiding was to get valuable and rare components that might make you an uber-sword. It's a lot less immediately satisfying for most people.<br /><br />In Eve nearly everything comes down to Isk (the money). Nullsec wars are fought over farming rights to sweet spots. Even griefing and player hunting are often essentially a form of isk denial.<br /><br />It works for me and it's fun. I don't think it would work for everyone.<br /><br />Two other big drawbacks with player crafting. You need destructible materials. Otherwise once a crafter sells you the best in slot it's the end of his gameplay. They did this in SWG.<br /><br />The other is one character per account (or as Eve slightly more elegantly does it, one skill queue per account). Otherwise everyone just floods the game with crafter alts.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.com