tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post5159944431563218978..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: DKP vs. loot councilKlepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-32034605164293118302010-02-10T09:55:50.647-06:002010-02-10T09:55:50.647-06:00Wanting something more doesn't make it any mor...Wanting something more doesn't make it any more fair.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-74312852558149673492010-02-09T09:31:17.460-06:002010-02-09T09:31:17.460-06:00Who says random is fair?
With trusted leadership...Who says random is fair? <br /><br />With trusted leadership and small groups loot council is good, but I do all my raiding withing a group that had 2100 active raiding characters last week and something like 130 raids and close to 1800 drops. <br /><br />DKP, well <a href="www.leftoversraiding.org" rel="nofollow">LOP</a> is really the only way to go. <br /><br />I am not sure how you can say random is perfectly fair, it has no mechanism for degree of desire and the number of rolls for loots isn't anywhere near large enough for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_large_numbers" rel="nofollow">the Law of Large Numbers</a>.<br /><br />Leftovers, might have enough loot drops for a stab at being a "fair" random system, but our loot history is well over 200,000 drops and even so, I would say we would have significant outliers because 1-100 takes way longer to settle down and 25 man raids need longer to settle down.Guthammerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07050792776342037099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-91468824297667076982010-02-08T18:55:10.710-06:002010-02-08T18:55:10.710-06:00@Larisa: Actually /roll is the most fair system; y...@Larisa: Actually /roll is the most fair system; your chances of seeing loot scale directly with attendance and then distribution is even per attempt; so overall it scales with attendance. DKP makes it so attendance gives an advantage with both the chance to see it and the chance to win it; it double-dips attendance. It does have some effect of moderating RNG by giving the advantage to high-attendance over lower. DKP is less fair, but that doesn't mean it's not better.<br /><br />@sam: DKP can help somewhat to ensure that lootless nights aren't entirely wasted, since you are eventually rewarded with a higher chance when it does finally drop.<br /><br />@Ngita: A loot council could work out how everything will go ahead of time; establishing a distribution order for every item and staying up to date on upgrades. But that's asking fora huge commitment outside of raids to figure it out and is very dependent on the council knowing exactly what everyone has.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-56790650943230980212010-02-08T16:14:48.370-06:002010-02-08T16:14:48.370-06:00A well trusted and properly run loot council is be...A well trusted and properly run loot council is better then dkp. But the loot council needs to understand the players needs better then the player himself. Good luck on that in todays enviroment when some players are at both 2x the hit cap and 2x the expertise soft cap. Time efficency matters as well. During BWL we shifted from a hybrid loot council/dkp to almost pure dkp that was done on the run except for one looter. That cut a hour from our clearsNgitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13526961657299848611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-38266995373504167892010-02-08T12:32:17.714-06:002010-02-08T12:32:17.714-06:00the problem with DKP is when you have a long perio...the problem with DKP is when you have a long period of time without certain types of gear dropping and then you end up with people who have huge amounts of DKP and are frustrated. I've seen guilds break at that point. Random loot distribution is the enemy of DKP.samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08143435412222235822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-28420509670740938292010-02-08T08:46:55.729-06:002010-02-08T08:46:55.729-06:00I prefer DKP to loot council every day. Unless you...I prefer DKP to loot council every day. Unless you're only raiding with very close friends there will always be the suspicion of favorism, a potential risk for drama. And above all it can take an insane amount of time. When I raid I want to raid, getting as many tries on the bosses as possible. Not patiently wating like 15 minutes for the loot council to come to their decision.<br /><br />And if you have a horrible player, as you say yourself, you should deal with it - trying to help them to get better - or in worst case get rid of them. Punishing them by not giving them loot will only make the situation worse since they not only lacks skill, but in that case also gear...<br /><br />The third alternative is of course /roll, but I think the RNG can be pretty stupid and unfair sometimes. DKP is by far the best solution I've seen for loot distribution so far.Larísahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769822260333419777noreply@blogger.com