tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post4131640362968078302..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: When to be uncivilizedKlepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-64833135798885231442009-12-17T12:26:12.315-06:002009-12-17T12:26:12.315-06:00Well it would promote plenty of civil defence (Boo...Well it would promote plenty of civil defence (Boom Boom!)Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-53679039005232556292009-12-17T10:23:18.838-06:002009-12-17T10:23:18.838-06:00Yeah, but what if we just nuke everybody in the wo...Yeah, but what if we just nuke everybody in the world, then nobody would be uncivil anymore. Problem solved! :)G-Rebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15643815147549753677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-69166481765326282802009-12-17T03:24:35.476-06:002009-12-17T03:24:35.476-06:00I don't actually know much about US Congress a...I don't actually know much about US Congress apart from some Gregory Peck film where he has to stay on his feet talking endlessly.<br /><br />I did work for three years at the House of Commons here in London indexing the parliamentary debates. Most of what is actually said is politely listened to. Occasionally people will laugh or get noisy and then the Speaker tells them to settle down.<br /><br />In forum terms it would look like wall of text after wall of text with the occasional "lol!" which is quickly squelched by a moderator.<br /><br />Doing some research I found this:<br /><br />"Mr. COBLE. Mr. Speaker, I previously<br />came to the well of the House<br />to voice my disappointment in the then<br />recently announced decision to prosecute<br />certain Gitmo detainees, Gitmo<br />terrorists, in New York City."<br /><br />http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2009_record&page=H14879&position=all<br /><br />I fail to see how that is uncivilized or looks anything like the WoW forums.<br /><br />I suspect what actually happens in your legislature is not quite like what you believe happens.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-37598871894177423182009-12-16T21:30:26.268-06:002009-12-16T21:30:26.268-06:00@Stabs: None of those are the environment that the...@Stabs: None of those are the environment that the forums simulate. It's nothing to do with nerd culture.<br /><br />Try the US Congress for something more similar. A few hundred people all scrambling and whining and trolling. And they are very representative of their voters.<br /><br />Surely you've seen town hall meetings or the ridiculous protesters at tea parties or the periodic strikes at French factoriesKlepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-35052756208176064422009-12-16T20:39:35.859-06:002009-12-16T20:39:35.859-06:00"All I can say is that the forums reflect rea..."All I can say is that the forums reflect real life all too well."<br /><br />Nonsense. I chat to people all the time. Professionally to library users, socially to friends, casually to neighbours and shop-keepers.<br /><br />People are almost always friendly and polite.<br /><br />Even if you argue with some stranger about whether God exists over a beer it's friendly.<br /><br />In the WoW forums (or any other big gamer forum) people will slap you down as their first reaction. That's not real life, that's just nerd culture.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-1369176087545536232009-12-16T19:00:30.642-06:002009-12-16T19:00:30.642-06:00@Stabs: All I can say is that the forums reflect r...@Stabs: All I can say is that the forums reflect real life all too well.<br /><br />@Anonymous: That's what I'm trying to address, to create a sort of cost-benefit analysis of the form of presentation vs. the benefit. There are times to be obnoxious and horrible. Those times will rarely come up in WoW.<br /><br />@G-Rebel: If only we actually could kill our problems away. In a more perfect world we could. But in this world, killing as communication tends to cause terrible cycles of terribleness. See: African civil wars.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-49011231690918062922009-12-16T18:35:50.588-06:002009-12-16T18:35:50.588-06:00It's impossible to reason with the unreasonabl...It's impossible to reason with the unreasonable. The perfect would would include everyone being civil, but we don't live in a perfect world, we live in a material world and I am a material girl...or boy, I can't remember which.<br /><br />Assasination is the only solution. For the Alliance!G-Rebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15643815147549753677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-78235660563391508792009-12-16T17:43:58.498-06:002009-12-16T17:43:58.498-06:00A lot of the posts I read seem to miss the actual ...A lot of the posts I read seem to miss the actual focus of the problem.<br /><br />It has never been about how Blizzard or GC or Adam H. doesn't want you to disagree with Bliz and would rather you shut up about it; it has always been about HOW you voice that disagreement. As Stabs pointed out, it's the difference between Martin Luther King Jr. and the Black Panthers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-51417601704619672372009-12-16T15:00:29.184-06:002009-12-16T15:00:29.184-06:00Martin Luther King was never, afaik, impolite.
He...Martin Luther King was never, afaik, impolite.<br /><br />He was an effective activist because he was the voice of quiet reason, a much bigger noise than the Black Panthers.<br /><br />I think the point about forum trolls is that they make what should be an enjoyable aspect of a game (discussion) horrible.<br /><br />I've written carefully thought out pieces on the WoW forums and got tldr as the only reply or ad hominem responses or biased emotional arguments that don't attempt to engage the discussion.<br /><br />It makes me not want to post there.<br /><br />So the danger of unmoderated cess pits of mutual abuse is that they become self-selecting. Only trolls would want to inhabit them and anyone trying not to be a troll gets trolled by all the trolls.<br /><br />I think this is what Ghostcrawler is trying to head off with his Troll Here! thread. <br /><br />Hats off to GC he has my respect.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.com