tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post4084236388455751012..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: Paying for time: Part twoKlepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-30509954780644587872011-06-29T13:41:53.892-05:002011-06-29T13:41:53.892-05:00time, sub, box.....wow, you two sure know how to l...time, sub, box.....wow, you two sure know how to lose me. lol.<br /><br />brilliant follow-up by the way; no coherence suits you. ;)Sylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04473554645340972749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-76615683855930737222011-06-28T18:41:13.451-05:002011-06-28T18:41:13.451-05:00A sub is never paying *for content*, though. It&#...A sub is never paying *for content*, though. It's paying for *access* to said content for a period of time. That's the point. If they were selling content, they would use the GW business plan.<br /><br />Yes, there's content there that prompts the sale, to be sure, but that's not what you're paying for.Teshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11760350503235227686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-82777539545066911242011-06-28T18:07:35.891-05:002011-06-28T18:07:35.891-05:00Assuming a rational consumer (a terrible assumptio...Assuming a rational consumer (a terrible assumption), would someone pay for time with no content? I didn't leave cata because of a problem with time, but of content. Even with a "time charge" it is content which backs that. We always pay for content (or don't pay). Subs do bundle that content, but that's there with all but the most micro of transactions.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-13814191780920977632011-06-28T12:00:00.094-05:002011-06-28T12:00:00.094-05:00No, with a sub, you're still paying for time, ...No, with a sub, you're still paying for time, not content. If they don't have a "cover charge" for content, that's their choice to subsidize the sub hook.Teshhttp://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-68715857480965638382011-06-27T22:37:37.995-05:002011-06-27T22:37:37.995-05:00So the issue here is not time at all, it's tha...So the issue here is not time at all, it's that there is the box and the sub? What if there was no box and only the sub?Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-63421702199453960012011-06-27T22:10:07.608-05:002011-06-27T22:10:07.608-05:00"Every game, make that everything, requires t..."Every game, make that everything, requires time."<br /><br />Exactly. Is that so hard to see? The baseline is that you spend time in games (and money for a box, let's say, or whatever content charge there is). All games. Subs charge for time *on top* of that. That's the double dip.<br /><br />As for being a "bad" consumer, it's really up to personal valuation. For some, subs will always be the best value. For others, not so much. What's bad for one may be good for the other and vice versa. *shrug*Teshhttp://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-89913754051654173572011-06-27T19:37:02.048-05:002011-06-27T19:37:02.048-05:00Can I also have the rapidly fluctuating rates just...Can I also have the rapidly fluctuating rates just like the electric bill?<br /><br />I'm having trouble accepting your assertion that we pay with "real world" time. Every game, make that everything, requires time.<br /><br />Maybe I'm just a bad consumer, that I prefer packaged time. I like Netflix with the flat fee regardless of whether I watch one DVD or a dozen (plus streaming a few). I like the idea of renting an apartment and I pay whatever per month regardless of how much I sleep in it.<br /><br />If these are bad deals, then don't take them. If I won't watch enough DVDs, then I should rent instead. If I will be sleeping under a table after parties most of the time, then I should just get a tent and skip the rent.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-11639609609935439162011-06-27T12:03:48.469-05:002011-06-27T12:03:48.469-05:00Or just charge for the time you actually, y'kn...Or just charge for the time you actually, y'know, *play*, like a power bill.<br /><br />It's still double dipping, though, because you're paying not only that in-game "time" currency but also your "real world" time. Not so when there is no charge beyond the box.Teshhttp://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-11312235986055254232011-06-25T07:37:34.415-05:002011-06-25T07:37:34.415-05:00Sub games sell you time and then that time is an i...Sub games sell you time and then that time is an in-game currency. That's not a double-dip. But there is the problem of non-gaming time causing some players to effectively get less time from the 'store'. We could fix that by buying time in smaller parts, so that we all get X hours for Y price, but then that brings in the problem of paying for small amounts of time at once causing grinds.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-29258968026594952462011-06-24T21:19:21.064-05:002011-06-24T21:19:21.064-05:00There's a difference between paying *for* time...There's a difference between paying *for* time and paying *with* time. Sub games double dip and demand both. I hate it when I get double charged.<br /><br />...but yeah, Syl has another good article up about attunements and keys. Grindy goals aren't in themselves the root of evil, and some time sinks can make a game world more interesting. Thing is, I can sometimes justify spending time if I'm having fun. Not so much double charges.Teshhttp://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-31838750846695193262011-06-24T06:49:47.139-05:002011-06-24T06:49:47.139-05:00Pshh, people actually forced to run something over...Pshh, people actually forced to run something over and over, farming dailies for reputation... Pshhh that’s pure poppycock! Who needs actually work these days... don’t we have robots that can do that for us? Long live the lazy ass generation of people expecting shit to be handed to them.Hyperiannoreply@blogger.com