tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post7647743830868564038..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: The Two GoblinsKlepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-81587643668606077682009-10-08T11:50:04.185-05:002009-10-08T11:50:04.185-05:00@ Stabs: I agree that the various economic blogs ...@ Stabs: I agree that the various economic blogs have made goblinism popular. Each week I think I see or hear about a new one pop up.<br /><br />I don't really know if there are greedy, nasty goblins on my server. I pay attention to the AH when I need to sell something crafted or just to make a quick gold here and there.<br /><br />I read an article somewhere this week that talked about a study comparing MMO economies with RL economic systems. One of the things they noted was inflation occured on every server they surveyed for a wide variety of products. (Undercutting happens, but overall inflation occured quite a bit). <br /><br />One way inflation happens is when you create money out of nothing (i.e. the US Federal Government and the Federal Reserve). <br /><br />In WoW money is created by NPC's when you loot or do a quest. It's created out of thin air, so to speak. It's all fiat. <br /><br />The result is a flawed economic system and combined with a "hands off" approach by Blizzard that allows the greedy goblins to populate servers at will.<br /><br />Ultimately, despite the flaws in the system, people still make a choice as to HOW they behave. People choose to be goblin #1, a more collectivism approach, or they choose goblin #2, a self-serving punk. <br /><br />Either way they have their freedoms, but in the end I think Stabs was right that there's not much to muy other than fluff with all that gold.G-Rebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15643815147549753677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-47196593807530739952009-10-08T07:23:20.479-05:002009-10-08T07:23:20.479-05:00Ah but what's a "decent bit?"
Take ...Ah but what's a "decent bit?"<br /><br />Take Saronite. If it's over-farmed then the price drops to vendor price. Is the vendor price not a decent price? 25g for a stack of something you found for free while doing something else?<br /><br />If you want to craft that Saronite into armour or whatever you need to follow market economics. Blacksmithing has always been a very badly designed profession from an economic point of view. <br /><br />Apart from a few hot items like Truesteel everything on your recipe list is useless once you have skilled up. The value of things like Runed Copper Bracers is to skill up or to make one for yourself if you're a lowbie alt.<br /><br />If people flood the market with the few good sellers (eg belt buckles) then it's bad for casually trading Blacksmiths but the casual guy didn't become a Blacksmith to make money. He picked it for the socket.<br /><br />WoW has a terrible economy. It's always had a terrible economy. The only way it would not have a terrible economy is if people needed crafted gear for raids and top level pvp AND if gear gets destroyed. Those in turn are terrible choices to make when designing a game for raiding.<br /><br />What interest there is to be had in WoW's economy is now being appropriated by hardcore players. Where once no one cared about gold now hitting the gold cap is a thing to brag about.<br /><br />This really isn't any different from other areas of the game where hardcore players dominate. Hardcore pvpers win arena. Hardcore raiders dominate raiding.<br /><br />The only reason this is a development is because it's a side of the game which was always trivial.<br /><br />And you know what? <br /><br />It still is trivial.<br /><br />So if you're mainly a raider and you can no longer sell belt buckles just run a few dailies. Or grind some eternal fire in WG.<br /><br />If you grind it you'll notice how little gold you actually need in the game - there's nothing to buy except fluff.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-6068492570144046042009-10-07T23:36:06.615-05:002009-10-07T23:36:06.615-05:00@Stabs: I see goblinism as a positive thing: knowl...@Stabs: I see goblinism as a positive thing: knowledge and action. In practice though, it can be used destructively, as in the case of the second goblin. It's not about the inequality. That's not just inevitable, it's potentially good.<br /><br />"But being trampled in the wallet is no worse than being ganked at a meeting stone or having some uber leet raider show off her shinies in front of the Dala bank."<br />These are entirely different. If the average player cannot make a decent bit off the AH, that drives people away from the economy, stifling growth and hurting everyone. I can turn off my flag, I can reroll PvE, I can't turn off AH exploitation. The leet raider is not negatively affecting me in any way.<br /><br />@gnomeaggedon: I don't see that as capitalism. Capitalism is about investment and innovation and finding markets. What you describe is little more than economic totalitarianism. It is the opposite of free market capitalism, but the lie has been told too many times, people no longer see that what is happening.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-29171503922416271052009-10-07T22:45:17.885-05:002009-10-07T22:45:17.885-05:00It's funny while I was reading this I started ...It's funny while I was reading this I started thinking of real life similarities...<br /><br />Certain supermarket and fast food chains in Australia (and I dare say world wide) approach farmers and say...<br /><br />your potatoes are worth $5/kg.<br />I will pay you $2<br />As I control the market you have no choice but to accept my $2<br />Did you want to sell your farm?<br /><br />It's capitalism... but not as we like it...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-37014548151697160672009-10-07T17:45:32.220-05:002009-10-07T17:45:32.220-05:00I'm afraid the various economic blogs have mad...I'm afraid the various economic blogs have made goblinism extremely popular.<br /><br />As a playstyle there's a lot to recommend it:<br />- it's pvp, often against people who can't possibly beat you because they don't understand the game (aka morons of the week).<br /><br />- it's solo.<br /><br />- it opens access to other parts of the game you may not have the skill gear or commitment to otherwise access (eg buying raid slots).<br /><br />- it is metered. You can count your gold and say "I'm doing this well"<br /><br />In many ways from a selfish point of view it's a very good way to play WoW. If I were still subscribed I'd find it a lot more interesting to do this than to mindlessly run dailies or bgs while waiting for raids.<br /><br />Is it a detriment to the server?<br /><br />I don't think so. Sure, you can say it's bad that the auction house becomes almost unusable by non-professionals. But being trampled in the wallet is no worse than being ganked at a meeting stone or having some uber leet raider show off her shinies in front of the Dala bank.<br /><br />MMOs operate on a certain amount of inequality.<br /><br />So it may be a bit unsettling to be a casual crafter, tossing a few belt buckles onto the market only to find either they all return after being undercut within seconds or they all got bought out and relisted high. But I think that's just tough.Stabshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08716211705647213383noreply@blogger.com