tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post6432553265313407029..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: The flight of the black middle class to premium serversKlepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-82335111938895583142010-06-07T17:51:13.784-05:002010-06-07T17:51:13.784-05:00Blizzard doesn't need to offer premium servers...Blizzard doesn't need to offer premium servers in order to offer premium services.<br /><br />Charge a quarter to get your abuse request to the head of the GM line. A dollar to get invited to GM-hosted events. Another dollar for a bigger ignore list. Fifty cents for better trade chat filters. And so on...<br /><br />Pretty soon, those interested in premium services are paying twice as much as those who aren't or can't afford it. The trickle-down effect of banning bots and spam quicker makes everybody's life better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-77988014731809694152010-06-05T16:54:48.795-05:002010-06-05T16:54:48.795-05:00None of the points you pretended to destroy were o...None of the points you pretended to destroy were ones I was actually making. I'm going to invoke rules 2 and 4 now. Have a nice day.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-44301598438224725022010-06-05T13:42:54.854-05:002010-06-05T13:42:54.854-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-37967697714521049292010-06-05T08:08:48.131-05:002010-06-05T08:08:48.131-05:00In my original post, in any context of black fligh...In my original post, in any context of black flight, I did not say problem. I will concede that it was a poor choice to have accepted that word in the discussion. A better option might have been "cause of a problem", that problem being the harm caused to the black lower class and image of blacks in general.<br /><br />Driving is a problem. That doesn't mean the only solution is to eliminate driving. Electric cars would reduce many of the problems (creating others, but let's not get bogged down in another tangent), so that while driving is a problem, there is no divine force which declares that driving must be a problem.<br /><br />Point out where I said they should have never desegregated. I said many problems arose from it, not that it shouldn't have happened, and in fact I said "The black middle class reacted as anyone would", which strongly suggests that they didn't do anything unusual or immoral, just did exactly what white people do all the time: avoided living in terrible neighborhoods.<br /><br />Google tries to improve searches by tailoring them to past searches, location, that sort of thing, so my searches will not yield identical results, meaning that I should not attempt to comment on your suggested search beyond noting that I never used the phrase "racial destiny", so I am not linking myself with that. But if you trust Google to give identical results, look up "shared destiny" instead.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-20465349213725285082010-06-05T02:39:43.622-05:002010-06-05T02:39:43.622-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-28737735433256181512010-06-05T02:06:02.882-05:002010-06-05T02:06:02.882-05:00I like the idea of premium servers, but I would on...I like the idea of premium servers, but I would only use one if i got value for money. What do i get for paying more? faster gm response time? (yawn) less gold spam? meh. An extra special mount just for me? I would just buy a pony if that mattered. Less bots? yippe ah prices for mats just went through the roof making it harder to level or use any crafting profession and pushing prices through the roof for all sorts of things like ice arrows to flasks of endless rage to glyphs for my alts. Honestly I cant see how it would seriously matter except for the prestige of being on one, in which case we will see a mass migration from my server of the bike riding, sitting on my fishing bobber on their ice mammoth while loling and spamming trade chat with "lfm weeklie noth must die 5.5kgscore" morons that currently blight my playing existence.nightgerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555431875907240808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-80211618978626268072010-06-05T01:42:38.998-05:002010-06-05T01:42:38.998-05:00Societies do not work as easily as mathematics. N...Societies do not work as easily as mathematics. Not all operations and actions are exactly reversible. So when I identify causes, I am not claiming that simply reversing them is the solution.<br /><br />This is entirely beside the actual subject of this post anyway. I was not trying to suggest a solution, but just to say "here is what happened, here is how it could happen again."<br /><br />So no, I am not "promulgating a racist and fascist dictum to illustrate [my] distaste for premium servers." As a brief suggestion: unless you're trying to derail a discussion, don't accuse someone of being racist or fascist or even suggest that maybe that's what they might possibly be if you read things a certain way.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-83415311383526731412010-06-05T01:35:24.814-05:002010-06-05T01:35:24.814-05:00He made it explicitly clear in his original post, ...He made it explicitly clear in his original post, which kind of goes back to my original point about your reading comprehension skills. <br /><br />"I tried to show similar processes, negative trends which we could identify and prevent."<br /><br />He only used the example of black neighborhoods to illustrate how players moving to premium servers would make the normal servers suck. It's not a stupid analogy that works on every stupid semantic level. Obviously there's nothing racist about not opening up premium servers.iapetesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-40700438842562496632010-06-05T01:27:34.938-05:002010-06-05T01:27:34.938-05:00"iapetes said...
So you get what he mean..."iapetes said...<br /><br /> So you get what he meant and are just being annoying for no reason."<br /><br />If being annoying means writing in a fashion that exceeds the level of your reading comprehension, which you ironically respond to by impugning my reading comprehension: then no, I'm not being annoying for no reason. And no, I don't "get what he meant." I truthfully don't know if he's just being unclear or is actually promulgating a racist and fascist dictum to illustrate his distaste for premium servers. I'm certainly curious to find out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-53083138239492996902010-06-05T01:16:23.144-05:002010-06-05T01:16:23.144-05:00So you get what he meant and are just being annoyi...So you get what he meant and are just being annoying for no reason.iapetesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-50439533941991051902010-06-05T01:13:47.566-05:002010-06-05T01:13:47.566-05:00"iapetes said...
You have the reading co..."iapetes said...<br /><br /> You have the reading comprehension of a 4th grader anom"<br /><br />True, I don't even write my own posts. They are stolen from passersby in my neighborhood from which the middle class blacks have all fled. Don't worry though, I have better taste than to lift any of your phrases :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-79841449575981407622010-06-05T01:05:59.335-05:002010-06-05T01:05:59.335-05:00To be slightly clearer:
"I do think the flig...To be slightly clearer:<br /><br />"I do think the flight of the black middle class is a problem, and not just for the poor left behind. "<br /> <br />The flight of the black middle class is like driving your car, the resultant negative effects you have described are like global warming. If you said "driving cars is a problem", then I would reasonably infer that you wanted to outlaw driving cars, or advocate for people to stop driving entirely, or something else in that vein. If what you really mean is "global warming is a problem", then we're more in agreement, as even though global warming has some beneficial effects, overall most reasonable people think it should be limited. I don't know any reasonable people who think middle class black people should be forcibly relocated into ghettos. This means black flight is not a problem in the world I live in, it's a reaction to problem which causes other problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-39767229621286609892010-06-05T01:05:46.002-05:002010-06-05T01:05:46.002-05:00You have the reading comprehension of a 4th grader...You have the reading comprehension of a 4th grader anomiapetesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-90594880195414547442010-06-05T00:52:15.976-05:002010-06-05T00:52:15.976-05:00@Klepso-- Do you have plans to move to the ghetto...@Klepso-- Do you have plans to move to the ghetto to raise your children, or are you a racist who thinks that black middle class people should live in ghettos but you shouldn't have to? (I am assuming you aren't black based on the way you have talked about this issue)<br /><br />If you are seriously arguing that it would be in middle class black people's rational self-interest to live in a ghetto, then please...stop. It's just not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-36905348408342783082010-06-04T23:46:00.526-05:002010-06-04T23:46:00.526-05:00Premium servers are such an unbelievably awful ide...Premium servers are such an unbelievably awful idea that I have no idea how it ever even got this much attention in the first placeiapetesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-63203126218193714482010-06-04T20:41:41.183-05:002010-06-04T20:41:41.183-05:00@Cathy: We do segregate ourselves. Maybe we'r...@Cathy: We do segregate ourselves. Maybe we're better with one place where we do not, or at least not 'physically'.<br /><br />@Analogue: I suspect gold sellers might find a fruitful market among those who are willing to pay more already. Sure there's higher risk of getting caught, but the audience might be willing to pay more for the gold.<br /><br />@Gevlon: It's okay, I sometimes agree with you. It's a terrible feeling, but we can get through it together.<br /><br />@Gordon: If it makes me seem consistent, I also dislike the way phone contracts are set up.<br /><br />Earlier today I saw a young person smoking and decided he was actually a hipster who would be getting lung cancer 'ironically' as a show against the Man.<br /><br />@Anonymous: I do think the flight of the black middle class is a problem, and not just for the poor left behind. Poverty and crime are horribly concentrated in black communities, perpetuating stereotypes which hurt the middle class too. To varying degrees there is a 'shared destiny'.<br /><br />Rules should be enforced or revoked, not merely left unenforced, otherwise they promote a rule-breaking, lawless atmosphere, which is to the detriment of all. I'm not counting the criminals because fuck them.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-68087708061407403252010-06-04T17:32:47.952-05:002010-06-04T17:32:47.952-05:00"Gevlon said...
I can't believe but ..."Gevlon said...<br /><br /> I can't believe but I fully agree. "<br /><br />Do you mean you agree that the premium servers and the resultant flight of people willing to pay the $15 will make normal servers even more annoying, or you agree that this is a problem? I'm not even sure Klepso is saying that black flight is a problem, to be honest. I didn't hear any appeals to the black middle class to move back to the ghetto, at least.<br /><br />There are a huge number of people who prefer the freedom of a less regulated environment, which is what Klepso predicts will result in the normal servers. I'm not sure that WoW's current audience would look upon these results with majority disapproval. Those of you who are assuming otherwise, check your observer bias and think again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-19732862112772398882010-06-04T16:05:41.455-05:002010-06-04T16:05:41.455-05:00It's kinda funny how as soon as I suggested th...It's kinda funny how as soon as I suggested the idea of premium servers for WoW every MMO gamer suddenly became an egalitarian fighting against the principles of classism ;)<br /><br />Classism is every where though from your mobile phone contracts to your broadband deals to travel and even cinema seats. Applying it to MMO subscriptions seems rather logical :P<br /><br />Not that I don't see the downsides to it though and yeah, it will leave everyone else who can't pay in the dust of retardville. Isn't life already like that though? Long live capitalism!<br /><br />I suppose in a subconscious way I'm making an ironic stand against the oppressions of right wing capitalism :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-32226277136721502592010-06-04T11:43:17.937-05:002010-06-04T11:43:17.937-05:00I can't believe but I fully agree.I can't believe but I fully agree.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-48990908197211955002010-06-04T08:55:25.603-05:002010-06-04T08:55:25.603-05:00I'd compare it to choosing home schooling or p...I'd compare it to choosing home schooling or private education for your kids rather than the "free" government version. You pay more (the "free" version is paid for by your taxes anyway but you don't usually notice that) and you get more control over your content.<br /><br />The biggest problem with premium servers would be, I think, not enough more-time-than-they-need farmer types out there would hurt the economy.Analoguehttp://looking4more.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-27905395254153491122010-06-04T08:45:18.233-05:002010-06-04T08:45:18.233-05:00I have to say there is something I do like about t...I have to say there is something I do like about the idea of premium servers. Issues taken care of more quickly, less spam, knowing there are GMs available within a few minutes and not a few days.<br /><br />There is certainly an upside to it but I know there are many negatives. A lot of gamers are young teenagers who can't afford that kind of fee or even adults that have their budgeted amount for gaming. <br /><br />In a sense we are always segregated in life depending (being upper class or middle class etc, affording private schools or attending public....we segregate ourselves often in life and don't really notice it)<br /><br />Still, I can dream of a Warcraft that has a GM to immediately kick an Ninja looter within a minute of being notified:)Chris and Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02698318668074944485noreply@blogger.com