tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post5722494597931008756..comments2024-01-04T06:27:01.723-06:00Comments on Troll Racials are Overpowered: One of Those PeopleKlepsacovichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-79904988702704620682012-08-12T21:26:12.445-05:002012-08-12T21:26:12.445-05:00Challenge Dungeons with their lack of automatic qu...Challenge Dungeons with their lack of automatic queueing present a return to the old system where groups are started, and therefore run, by the player who had the impetus to do so.<br /><br />I'm confident this content will be to LFD as regular raiding is to LFR currently.Coreushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10258450322199352185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-83768732277932198382012-08-12T13:10:50.811-05:002012-08-12T13:10:50.811-05:00I repay your lateness in kind with a late reply. :...I repay your lateness in kind with a late reply. :P<br /><br />Makes me wish for the old days when the tank was usually lead and could just kick those offensive DPS.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-86189920419710341212012-08-11T15:14:58.010-05:002012-08-11T15:14:58.010-05:00Dear Klep,
I realize I'm quite late to this, b...Dear Klep,<br />I realize I'm quite late to this, but I frequently am. You'll have to forgive me.<br /><br />Anyway, I am one of those people, too. I recently and pointlessly wrote on the stupidity of the VtK system, and most of the responses I got was that I was an asshole for having any kind of standards at all by which I expect strangers to behave. The apathy of the community is beginning - no - has long since begun to wear thin for me. <br /><br />At any rate, kudos to you, and I hope you keep trying to get yourself kicked, as I was when I refused to continue tanking for two mages who were needing on everything and gave me a "shut the fuck up" response when I pointed it out. <br /><br />I for one sure as hell am not about to back down.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Stubborn (an nom-de-appropo)stubbornhttp://sheepthediamond.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-12895720819231874032012-08-10T12:28:58.589-05:002012-08-10T12:28:58.589-05:00Here's the chronology, as best I can remember ...Here's the chronology, as best I can remember it.<br /><br />Druid rolls need, I say that it is not a druid weapon. I then ask for mark [of the wild]. A short time passes, somewhere between a few seconds and a minute, and I ask again.<br /><br />At this point the priest starts the fuck off leave if you don't like it. I don't recall my response.<br /><br />The druid said something about dual wield. This was when I asked if he'd confused himself with an enhancement shaman. I don't think the druid said much after this; he'd not been very talkative, which I should have noted earlier in the post, that it was the priest being offensive, not the druid.<br /><br />There was another round of profanity and the priest saying something about it being a mistake. I finished with "if it was a mistake then call it a mistake and ease off the profanity."Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-37190501234398634542012-08-10T11:52:09.295-05:002012-08-10T11:52:09.295-05:00Perhaps, but the tone of your initial post (which ...Perhaps, but the tone of your initial post (which never said that you asked only twice) implies that you kept this up until you wore the tank down before taking on a running battle because you didn't like the answer. Note that I'm ignoring the profanity-spewing part of the equation and only considering you and the tank.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-56260774567630199712012-08-10T11:04:25.154-05:002012-08-10T11:04:25.154-05:00Door three is asking one more time, in case chat s...Door three is asking one more time, in case chat scrolled or they somehow missed it. Door four is harassment. I took door three.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-84175387502345030952012-08-10T09:17:10.947-05:002012-08-10T09:17:10.947-05:00Azuriel, things have obviously changed since I ran...Azuriel, things have obviously changed since I ran too much LFD back in WotLK. It was always assumed that you would ask if anyone minded a need role on an item you wanted for an off-spec or an alt. No transmog at the time so that wasn't a consideration. That this is so foreign an idea only reinforces my general opinion that WoW has no hope of a functional social environment.<br /><br />Klep, yes me ignoring you in real life is rude and I do it everyday to telemarketers and people on the street looking for me to support their important cause. Different case? Absolutely, but so is a video game. You asked, as I would have, about the need role. If there is no response you need to write it off, initiate a vote kick, or decide that you are going to get a response and start harassing the person. Once you select door #3 you are the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-33336761671278268432012-08-10T01:54:31.679-05:002012-08-10T01:54:31.679-05:00I go into every LFD assuming im about to join a te...I go into every LFD assuming im about to join a team of insecure, rage filled 14 year olds, so im never surpirsed when the druid tank is wearing healer gear, or the dps is breking the CC'd targets and all they can do is drop the F bomb after they dont get some green. This way the spiral to the group destruction is never a shockerHyperiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-76060993999209871282012-08-09T23:53:50.097-05:002012-08-09T23:53:50.097-05:00As I see it, anything above vendor or trade is nee...As I see it, anything above vendor or trade is need, though taking into account people who will equip the item for an upgrade to their roles. So sure, I'd go along with "need for transmog" as long as they didn't take it from a "need to equip".<br /><br />Again, why is it the person who points out the problem who gets the criticism? This is the problem, when we attack the messenger rather than the root of the problem: people who abuse the rules. Quantitatively it's not a big deal, averaging to only 12 or so gold per player based on the wowhead buyout estimate. Qualitatively, it's someone saying "fuck you, I don't care if I've wronged you or broken any rules". Or, literally, "fuck you" as in the case of the priest.<br /><br />Furthermore, saying "that's not a druid weapon" hardly counts as a "socially awkward conversation" unless you have a serious problem with social situations. It is the refusal to respond in a civilized manner with a followup of "fuck you" and so on that makes it a socially awkward situation.<br /><br />At least as I've experienced it, rolling need on a BoE soulbinds it. By that I mean that I am rolled need on BoE items and have gotten the notification "rolling need on this item will soulbind it to you" and afterward, the item has been soulbound. Blizzard has actually acted to eliminate the "need to AH" problem. I do not know if this feature is always enabled or if it has any exceptions, but I don't think so.Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-62374601817876514802012-08-09T23:45:07.435-05:002012-08-09T23:45:07.435-05:00@Klep
Yes, I would have submitted a ticket for pr...@Klep<br /><br />Yes, I would have submitted a ticket for profanity as well.<br /><br />Re: BoE, it changes the narrative because it becomes more likely (or at least possible) that the druid could have misinterpreted your class advice as passive-aggressive trolling. Or an attempt to shame him/her, which amounts to the same thing in the abstract.<br /><br />Plus, if I knew it was <a href="https://theunderminejournal.com/item.php?item=35664" rel="nofollow">worth 500g+</a> on many realms (it being a good Transmog target, after all), I would have probably hit Need without much preamble as well. "Needing for gold" simply sounds crass, and isn't much better IMO than "Needing for vanity purposes."<br /><br />My social conventions draw a line between the above and "Needing for shard/vendor" or if it is a huge, rare upgrade for someone, of course. What constitutes huge and rare and upgrade is obviously up to me.Azurielhttp://inanage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-72429569219153735792012-08-09T23:23:55.037-05:002012-08-09T23:23:55.037-05:00"Social convention?" Which convention(s)..."Social convention?" <i>Which</i> convention(s)?<br /><br />I absolutely agree that the need/greed system fails the community. Is "Need" defined as "Need to equip this right now"? Because, let me tell you, there were dozens of times I <i>wish</i> I had pressed Need instead of Greed when the item that I could have used for some greater purpose ended up being someone's 17g vendor or shard. Hell, I would <i>pay</i> the winner of a secondary Greed roll to allow me to possibly maybe use that wacky sword or off-off-spec helmet.<br /><br />But let us be honest here, would it have <i>really</i> mattered that I typed "Need for 'mog/off-spec?" Unless you are operating on radically different rulesets than everyone else, e.g. you would only Greed on Transmogs despite competing with everyone else's D/E roll, pressing Need is the same implicit thing. IMO, if you care about the fate of the item, you press Need. If you don't, you don't. <br /><br />So who is at fault? Who would not be following "social conventions?" You? Me? Everyone?<br /><br />I won't be a chump if I see someone Needing on every damn item in the place - counter-Needing solves that with little fuss - but for incidents like these wherein it doesn't even appear Klep wanted the item? I dunno, I might just have voted to kick too. Two strangers forcing me to endure a socially awkward e-fight when I'm just trying to level up in LFD is not my idea of fun.Azurielhttp://inanage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-49316768498760477672012-08-09T23:12:56.693-05:002012-08-09T23:12:56.693-05:00@Anonymous: I may be applying too much of real lif...@Anonymous: I may be applying too much of real life to WoW, as in, if I asked you a question, directly to you, and there was no one shouting over or anything like that, it would be rude to not respond in any way.<br /><br />@Azuriel: The ninjaing broke no Blizzard rules, but the stream of profanity which followed did.<br /><br />As for the BoE aspect, in what way do you think that changes the narrative?Klepsacovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915576683657376929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-52631251379735693402012-08-09T21:46:36.606-05:002012-08-09T21:46:36.606-05:00What rule did the druid break?
How about the soci...<i>What rule did the druid break?</i><br /><br />How about the social convention not to need on things you can't use or aren't upgrades without asking first? Want it for transmog or because one of your alts could use it? Ask before you need. Not all rules are about murder, there are legitimate issues with fair and honest play that should be enforced.<br /><br />The need/greed system fails the community by not providing a valid framework. There is no penalty to the Rogue, to pick a personal memory from WotLK, who decides to need on the INT neck because the "Mage doesn't deserve it". That would be the Mage who is doing about as well as someone in dungeon blues could be expected against my raid-geared DK and the raid-geared Rogue.<br /><br />And the comment was more general rather than specific to a weird need roll. Both badgering someone to explain themselves and starting a cursing match with the person demanding explanations should be reportable, as harassment. The chance of Blizzard doing anything of the sort is basically nil.<br /><br />Oh, the 'report for language' option? I used it on the same person three days in a row before dropping the Trade channel. I have no faith that Blizzard will act on anything that does not threaten a lawsuit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-51632894230530742702012-08-09T20:56:20.004-05:002012-08-09T20:56:20.004-05:00Blizzard has no intention of granting players the ...<i>Blizzard has no intention of granting players the tools to police the community, promulgate uniform rules, or enforce any rules they do have.</i><br /><br />What rule did the druid break?<br /><br />By the way, <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/item=35664#comments" rel="nofollow">this is probably the mace that dropped</a>. <b>Key fact: Bind on Equip</b>. I would suggest that changes the on-going narrative a bit. <br /><br />Also, it is comically large for a 1H mace, e.g. nice Transmog target, but you sort of addressed that already.Azurielhttp://inanage.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-87731007618807911182012-08-09T20:01:32.241-05:002012-08-09T20:01:32.241-05:00I don't run LFD or LFR in WoW because, well, t...I don't run LFD or LFR in WoW because, well, the idiot to decent ratio is far too high. That said...<br /><br />The thing that I absolutely despised in groups was someone make a mistake, act the idiot, or need an item they clearly didn't need and that starting the chat war. Say something once, I probably did as well, then either drop it or move to the vote kick. Trying to badger someone into answering your critical comment is self absorbed.<br /><br />In fairness, I haven't seen the chat log. Reading your presentation makes it sound like you didn't get an answer and dammit he owes you one. Nobody ignores me!<br /><br />How's that for hyperbola?<br /><br />WoW, as a social game outside of a structured guild, is dead. Blizzard has no intention of granting players the tools to police the community, promulgate uniform rules, or enforce any rules they do have. Unless a potential lawsuit is involved. It is not economically viable, I guess, so it isn't going to happen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5462978744516866472.post-8760246545316995682012-08-09T17:43:37.649-05:002012-08-09T17:43:37.649-05:00You know, reading this reminded me why i stopped p...You know, reading this reminded me why i stopped playing wow... So sad how LFD ruined what little decency people had left.Jondarehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18146354733659298164noreply@blogger.com